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09:42am 26/11/2006
 
 
LocaKitty
Is it possible to make a Top 100 influential albums without mentioning Pink Floyd?

I guess it is.

I knew I stopped reading Time for a reason. For some reason OASIS is on there...but not Floyd.
 
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 albadore
 
05:13pm 26/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
Your Mom's Favorite Munkee
That is downright retarded. Taste accounts for a lot, but in terms of influence...just look around!
 
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 wednes
 
05:24pm 26/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
Wednesday Lee Friday: Dark Side reflection
Doesn't that just mean the "list" is a big, long commercial for music?
BMG, for example, doesn't mention Floyd because they don't have the rights to sell it.
picword: Dark Side reflection
 
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 ex_benlinus
 
06:02pm 26/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
You can vote that Dark Side should have been on the list if you click to page two of the article.
 
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 busternaut
 
08:04pm 26/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
Nonetheless Notwithstanding.
No Sonic Youth either.

Fucking High Fidelity. That movie ruined magazines forever. I really really hate Top anything lists now.
 
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 rushomancy
 
08:13pm 26/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
Nihil Obstat
No offense, Ben, but Sonic Youth kind of suck. And even if they _didn't_, they just aren't of sufficient stature to make it on a list of the most essential music of all time, unless it's specifically targeted towards indie rock. On the other hand, even if you hate Pink Floyd, you'd have to be crazy not to call "Dark Side of the Moon" one of the most influential albums of all time.

Also, "top anything" lists have always sucked. They're just a cheap way to move product and don't actually serve any useful purpose. And the worst of the worst lists are the ones that actually dare to put "greatest hits" albums on the list. Everyone knows that the #1 rule of making lists is that greatest hits albums aren't allowed.

On the other hand, lists made by people who supposedly know about music suck. How on earth could a list made by Time Magazine, who collectively know about as much about music as my dog, not suck? I mean, it'd be like expecting insightful analysis of the situation in Iraq from "Kerrang!".
 
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 busternaut
 
12:37am 27/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
Nonetheless Notwithstanding.
"Indie" has become an archaic term, what with the recent flood of bands on independent labels signing to major labels, and bands already on major labels adapting a more "alternative" sound.

In the 90s you could describe a band as "indie" and people would know exactly what kind of sound you were talking about. Not so, anymore. It's become too huge and spread too thin to keep track of.

It doesn't much matter whether they're a "good" group, or how "essential" they are to one's collection. It's a very safe bet that Sonic Youth have influenced more bands around the world than Outkast, DJ Shadow, Mary J. Blige, or Oasis, all who were included on that list. One might also point out that Hole, Nirvana, Radiohead, and Pavement were very much influenced directly by Sonic Youth.

They're the Velvet Underground (also on the "Time" list) of the 80s, like it or not. The VU and SY are some of the few bands (Radiohead also comes ot mind) that are in the sonic DNA of nearly every "indie" or "alternative" band active today.

Also: they left out the Cure and Joy Division and Iggy and the Stooges. But that's nitpicking.
 
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 rushomancy
 
08:51pm 27/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
Nihil Obstat
"Indie" is a hugely inaccurate term (hey, it can join the club along with "IDM", which nobody dances to, and "progressive rock", which is more or less permanently mired in the 1970s), but I wouldn't call it "archaic" by any means. I mean, how would _you_ describe Death Cab for Cutie or Yo La Tengo?

First off, I don't think Time magazine _really_ meant "influential", otherwise they wouldn't have named albums that came out last year. Not much time for them to be influential, is there?

Were Nirvana influenced by Sonic Youth? Yes, but they were also influenced by the Wipers, the Meat Puppets, the Raincoats, and Half Japanese. Should those bands be put on the 100 top albums of all time too? Radiohead influenced by Sonic Youth? No, I really don't hear that. (And again, if you're going to put someone on the list for influencing a more famous band, you'd have to put fucking Autechre on the list, and I don't think anybody wants that.) Hole and Pavement shouldn't have been on the list anyway, so that rules them out.

I also think you're vastly overstating the importance of Sonic Youth. Yes, most bands today have _heard_ of Sonic Youth, but that doesn't mean Sonic Youth are a major influence. I mean, come on. How much Sonic Youth do you hear in The Shins? How much Sonic Youth is there in Belle and Sebastian? Sonic Youth may be cool to namedrop, but I don't think they were in real terms any more influential than, say, the Butthole Surfers.

The Cure and Joy Division don't belong on the list either. Not if you're going to cut it down to only 100. If it was a list of 500, sure, but not 100. The Stooges you could argue either way. I don't think it's a crippling omission to leave them off, like it would be to leave off REM or U2.
 
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 busternaut
 
12:10am 28/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
Nonetheless Notwithstanding.
"Time" magazine doesn't call for this kind of discourse. It's toilet paper.

Let's talk about cars or something.
 
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 cmdavi_70
 
10:41pm 26/11/2006 (UTC)
 
 
I'll give you a hint; it's not "Skip.": My Dinner with Andre
Someday there will be a list of the best and worst lists, at least I'm hoping so.

Of course, no list will ever make everyone happy, but I agree with comments above that the list has less to do with taste and importance than with promotion. I'm willing to concede to stuff being on this list that I personally don't like but is arguably big and influential(Eminem comes to mind), but Hole and the Plastic Ono Band are odd choices, as is an Elvis compilation in the late 90's that I don't even remember being released.

And yes, Dark Side of the Moon, an album that spent eleven years at the top of the charts and is still very popular, clearly needs to be on this list.
picword: My Dinner with Andre
 
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